Plains, Trains and Oppolitics

"atfsgeoff" (atfsgeoff) 12/17/2019 at 22:41 • Filed to: None

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Many states which still have the death penalty, are moving from lethal injection back to firing squad due to the lack of supply for the lethal drugs.

I propose that we institute a far more modern, readily-available and common execution method:

The Mustang Shuffle.

M.T. Blake > atfsgeoff 12/17/2019 at 22:47

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Hand over the driver’s seat to the victim’s family. 

interstate366, now In The Industry > atfsgeoff 12/17/2019 at 22:48

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The Super Bowl Shuffle Song  is playing while it happens, right?

atfsgeoff > M.T. Blake 12/17/2019 at 22:52

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No, that would be petty revenge. To maintain judicial and emotional impartiality, the driver shall be blindfolded and must follow the sound of a large bell affixed to the condemned’s neck with a collar.

facw > atfsgeoff 12/17/2019 at 22:53

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I want more planes and trains?

Anyway, Mustang-based execution seems as good enough as any form , but it seems like our criminal justice situation is flawed enough that I’m wary of subjecting people to such a permanent solution. Maybe we should have an even higher standard of evidence?

MrDakka > atfsgeoff 12/17/2019 at 22:58

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Instructions unclear.

Half the state is now dead from a deaf blindfolded mustang driver

atfsgeoff > facw 12/17/2019 at 22:59

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I am in favor of a higher standard of evidence, as I am firmly adherent to the idea that it is better to let a hundred guilty men go free, than to let one innocent be punished.

I would also broadcast and livestream the Mustang Shuffle so that the People can see for themselves just how barbaric the d eath penalty is.

MrDakka > facw 12/17/2019 at 23:40

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Devil’s Advocate: How much of your privacy or freedoms would you forswear  to ensure a more rigorously scrutinized standard of acceptable evidence?

facw > MrDakka 12/17/2019 at 23:55

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As I wrote that I was actually thinking that increasingly ubiquitous recording potentially means we have much harder evidence than in the past (assuming we can identify fakes). And in a more historical example, we know that a whole ton of people in jail, and even on death row have been exonerated by DNA evidence, but it’s less clear if in the presence of that evidence if we are still making mistakes at anywhere near the same rate.

In any event to answer your question I’m not freaked out about cameras in public spaces, about license plate readers, about finding criminals using indirect DNA matches in commercial databases (I’d even go farther there, I’d have no problem with mandatory DNA collection for that purpose, though I’d like to see the current DNA health insurance protections extended to life insurance and long-term care insurance). I realize this puts me a bit outside the mainstream, but to me it a lot of “privacy” concerns a bit reflexive, and aren’t sufficiently concerned with what it makes sense to consider private or not. I’m much more concerned that the government frequently isn’t willing to talk about what it’s doing with information (public or private) which makes it difficult to have reasonable debates as to what should be allowed. Additionally, when people have been caught abusing government datastores, the penalties have been extremely minor, if anything happened at all, which doesn’t inspire confidence in letting the government handle data that is sensitive.

Also, when walking about a higher standard of evidence, I was talking specifically about death penalty cases (though looking at my comment maybe that wasn’t clear) . Sending an innocent person to prison for decades sucks, but it seems pretty clearly better than executing an innocent person, so if we are going to have the death penalty, it makes sense to limit it to cases where there really can be no doubt about what happened.    

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > atfsgeoff 12/18/2019 at 00:00

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Whatever happened to Marooning people?

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > MrDakka 12/18/2019 at 00:00

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I will gladly support the Pre-Crime division 

MrDakka > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) 12/18/2019 at 00:05

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Everyone supports the Pre-Crime police until they themselves are guilty of Pre-Crime

FYI Pre-Crime  will be paying you a visit real soon

BaconSandwich is tasty. > atfsgeoff 12/18/2019 at 00:25

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“ due to the lack of supply for the lethal drugs.”

I’m surely Florida has enough fentynal for overdosing every death penalty.  It’d save them having to incinerate it.

MrDakka > facw 12/18/2019 at 00:28

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Continuing to be devil’s advocate here:

yes executing some innocent people sucks, but if the only practical way to prevent this would be to subject the rest of a population to massively increased surveillance/invasions of privacy and decreased rights/freedoms, is it worth it?

Why must the majority suffer to pardon the few (compared to the rest of the population)? Wouldn’t utilitarianism state that for the (here are the dreaded words used to justify anything ) greater good, the few must suffer?

And as you said governments aren’t too great with transparency; so with the massive amount of data that would need to be collected to set this higher standard of evidence to prevent i nnocents from being wrongfully convicted , the potential it could be mis used for selfish and nefarious purposes is all too great.

What’s to prevent some corrupt officials from acting on their baser desires and misusing such data? Wouldn’t it be better to not even allow such tempting data to exist in the first place? If such an act did occur, many more people would suffer from this system that was created to save a few innocents from execution.

So for the greater good of society, shouldn’t a few innocents be executed if it prevents abuse of a system that could be used to cause suffering for more people than those few innocents?

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > MrDakka 12/18/2019 at 00:39

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Pre crime clearly isn’t concerned with any of the crimes I’m fond of, as I’m still a free person 

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > MrDakka 12/18/2019 at 00:41

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This is a false dichotomy, not having the death penalty does not automatically mean an increase in surveillance. If anything I feel I have more privacy in Canada than I would in the states and we don’t do executions anymore. 

facw > MrDakka 12/18/2019 at 00:42

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My thinking is that if we want the government to have access to tons of data like that (and I think we should) then we need reforms to increase trust that it will be handled responsibly. If we don’t get those then were have to forgo collecting and tracking of sensitive data (though a lot of less sensitive public data could still be fair game).

In any event, I don’t think there’s any need to execute innocents for the good of society, because keeping someone locked up is largely indistinguishable generally speaking. If you don’t have incredibly solid evidence of a capital offense, just send them away for life under the current “beyond reasonable doubt” standard. At least then if they are exonerated later, they can be freed. Hard to even partially undo an execution. You will still be sending some innocents to prison, but hopefully those numbers will be small. I’d rather require more effort on the part of public defenders or something along those lines in order to reduce wrongful convictions.  

DipodomysDeserti > atfsgeoff 12/18/2019 at 08:38

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What states are moving towards firing squad? The three states that have it, have always had  it, and only Utah has used it in the last thirty years. Inmates are requesting it because states are playing a guessing game with lethal injection drugs resulting in torture.

OPPOsaurus WRX > atfsgeoff 12/18/2019 at 08:45

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i thought anti-aircraft gun was the new method of c hoic e.

BigBlock440 > BaconSandwich is tasty. 12/18/2019 at 15:09

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I think Ohio was trying to legalize using confiscated fentynal for injections, or at least a bill was introduced.

Wheaterz > atfsgeoff 12/25/2019 at 22:40

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I remember this wacky ass video.. takes place not too, too far where I live in MD & the ‘Stang was leaving a local car show at a dealership. The bumper gets messed up and a couple people got to see God for a few seconds. The dude working the wheel just didn’t know what was under the hood .! Idiots just shouldn’t own cars like this.

Leave the death penalty for the pros!